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		<title>By: elijah</title>
		<link>http://nogodsallowed.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/my-guitar-gently-weeps/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>elijah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm... well I play guitar too, not well, I sing even worse. And yet in kowing this, I try to let Holy spirit bring god&#039;s presence when I begin to praise. I try to let Holy spirit bring my worship to life and works best for me when I am singing.... NO One in their right mind would want to here me as I have had no formal musical training, save some basic guitar lessons. Now it might interest you that the presence of God that I feel can come even when I&#039;m home alone just reading psalms aloud, the more I agree to the word of God while I&#039;m speaking the more Jesus comes alive in me if you will. 

Thus I believe this to be Godly praise and worship, that I would praise him in spirit and in truth, whith all that I am. 

Now as far as your personal convictions, I would day it could be possiple that God was showing you that the worship band was not allowing the rest of the church to worship in truth and spirit, and perhaps no one in the band was either. Wow to be so controlling as to not let the body do this, is indeed a great sin. For it is by the veery prescence and spirit of God that helps us to grow in our walk with God. It&#039;s hardly the pasturs sermon of the worship songs, though proper worship music and proper teachings help the spirit work in us more quickly. For example a song like Amazing Grace, will often bring the remberence of who and where we once were spiritualy and often even physically, a wretch that is. But alas did my redeemer die for me! The spirit of God then may begin to well up in us, we feel again and afresh his love for us. And often may begin to weep at the acknowledgment of his great love for us. 

Another example is the sermon: Often I remember when I first started attending church, especially in those early days. God would often be teaching me something about him, or his word, often because this came mostly from the spirit, from talking and listening to God. I often needed and still need some confirmation. If the pastor is truely spirit led, he will say the few words in the right context to bring you the confirmation you need, even if what I needed to hear was perhaps only a comment and not an intended part of the sermon. And often when this happens I in one way or another get a feeling of agreement from Holy spirit. If there at these times, I feel no agreement I must keep seeking God for the truth. You see even a highly, anointed man gets attecked by satan, enough at times to speak what the devil wants him to speak rather than God. Remember always to intercede in prayer for your pastors and such.

I would also say it perhaps, was&#039;nt so much you controlling the group of people, but rather that your were not allowing them to freely give praise, of perhaps not even allowing holy spirit to first move in you as to the type and tempo of music. You see it becomes a very religous setting.

And as far as tribal worship, yes its much like Godly worship. How can that be you ask. Well you see Satan can create noting, however since the first lie, he has been perverting all of God&#039;s creation on earth through sin. You see God created beings to worship him. And as many suppose Satan was the head worship leader. Simply satan took the worship that was God&#039;s and began directing it toward himself. So don&#039;t by any means fear true worship.

And another note. Ever notice that it often seems that Satan seems to have a better influence than God in many places of the world. I tell you this is only because Satan worshipers, often worship with all that they are, they even commit sin as a form of worship. I mean these freaks get into it heavy.

However too much of the church don&#039;t know how to worship very well, they are often held back. It is worship more so than even the spoken word of God that opens gates in the heavens and brings his glorious presence down to us, that we may indeed dwell in his presence, and he in us. Did you know that twirling is a form of worship, dancing, shouting, praising, blowing horns, declaring, and making all kinds of noise. But with God unlike Satan there should be some spirit led order to it.

I tell you the truth, if your church has invited God&#039;s presence and then begin greiving the very spirit of God by trying to lead the body of christ, rather than letting the spirit of God do so. He will tell some to leave, he will convict and rebuke others. And in all of this if the church does not turn back to the lords spirit for direction, the gentle spirit of God will leave your church. And demonic spirits will take up residence. Spirits of religion, oppresion, controll, judgment, confusion, even sickness. Oh how satan likes to use things like judgment, and offense to be taken up in th members of the body. And then with out speaking a word, these same people rise up aginst others in their spirit, in agreement with demons, and begin to in this way cast a curse on others. People start getting sick and even dying.
This is why paul writes, he who does not discern correctly, the body of christ eats and drinks of the cup to his own damnation.

Hope it helps..... may you never stop worshipping and praising the one true God Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230; well I play guitar too, not well, I sing even worse. And yet in kowing this, I try to let Holy spirit bring god&#8217;s presence when I begin to praise. I try to let Holy spirit bring my worship to life and works best for me when I am singing&#8230;. NO One in their right mind would want to here me as I have had no formal musical training, save some basic guitar lessons. Now it might interest you that the presence of God that I feel can come even when I&#8217;m home alone just reading psalms aloud, the more I agree to the word of God while I&#8217;m speaking the more Jesus comes alive in me if you will. </p>
<p>Thus I believe this to be Godly praise and worship, that I would praise him in spirit and in truth, whith all that I am. </p>
<p>Now as far as your personal convictions, I would day it could be possiple that God was showing you that the worship band was not allowing the rest of the church to worship in truth and spirit, and perhaps no one in the band was either. Wow to be so controlling as to not let the body do this, is indeed a great sin. For it is by the veery prescence and spirit of God that helps us to grow in our walk with God. It&#8217;s hardly the pasturs sermon of the worship songs, though proper worship music and proper teachings help the spirit work in us more quickly. For example a song like Amazing Grace, will often bring the remberence of who and where we once were spiritualy and often even physically, a wretch that is. But alas did my redeemer die for me! The spirit of God then may begin to well up in us, we feel again and afresh his love for us. And often may begin to weep at the acknowledgment of his great love for us. </p>
<p>Another example is the sermon: Often I remember when I first started attending church, especially in those early days. God would often be teaching me something about him, or his word, often because this came mostly from the spirit, from talking and listening to God. I often needed and still need some confirmation. If the pastor is truely spirit led, he will say the few words in the right context to bring you the confirmation you need, even if what I needed to hear was perhaps only a comment and not an intended part of the sermon. And often when this happens I in one way or another get a feeling of agreement from Holy spirit. If there at these times, I feel no agreement I must keep seeking God for the truth. You see even a highly, anointed man gets attecked by satan, enough at times to speak what the devil wants him to speak rather than God. Remember always to intercede in prayer for your pastors and such.</p>
<p>I would also say it perhaps, was&#8217;nt so much you controlling the group of people, but rather that your were not allowing them to freely give praise, of perhaps not even allowing holy spirit to first move in you as to the type and tempo of music. You see it becomes a very religous setting.</p>
<p>And as far as tribal worship, yes its much like Godly worship. How can that be you ask. Well you see Satan can create noting, however since the first lie, he has been perverting all of God&#8217;s creation on earth through sin. You see God created beings to worship him. And as many suppose Satan was the head worship leader. Simply satan took the worship that was God&#8217;s and began directing it toward himself. So don&#8217;t by any means fear true worship.</p>
<p>And another note. Ever notice that it often seems that Satan seems to have a better influence than God in many places of the world. I tell you this is only because Satan worshipers, often worship with all that they are, they even commit sin as a form of worship. I mean these freaks get into it heavy.</p>
<p>However too much of the church don&#8217;t know how to worship very well, they are often held back. It is worship more so than even the spoken word of God that opens gates in the heavens and brings his glorious presence down to us, that we may indeed dwell in his presence, and he in us. Did you know that twirling is a form of worship, dancing, shouting, praising, blowing horns, declaring, and making all kinds of noise. But with God unlike Satan there should be some spirit led order to it.</p>
<p>I tell you the truth, if your church has invited God&#8217;s presence and then begin greiving the very spirit of God by trying to lead the body of christ, rather than letting the spirit of God do so. He will tell some to leave, he will convict and rebuke others. And in all of this if the church does not turn back to the lords spirit for direction, the gentle spirit of God will leave your church. And demonic spirits will take up residence. Spirits of religion, oppresion, controll, judgment, confusion, even sickness. Oh how satan likes to use things like judgment, and offense to be taken up in th members of the body. And then with out speaking a word, these same people rise up aginst others in their spirit, in agreement with demons, and begin to in this way cast a curse on others. People start getting sick and even dying.<br />
This is why paul writes, he who does not discern correctly, the body of christ eats and drinks of the cup to his own damnation.</p>
<p>Hope it helps&#8230;.. may you never stop worshipping and praising the one true God Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Everette</title>
		<link>http://nogodsallowed.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/my-guitar-gently-weeps/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Everette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow what you wrote about how music works was so on point.  If people only would understand how music effects the listner.  What you said about God was so off.  God is in control of those who desire Him to use them.  What you experenced was the same Dark demonic influence that caused a third of the angels to fall with their Musician leader Satan.  Ezekiel 28 12-19  wher Satan was kicked out becouse he thought the wonderful worship sound his beauty and body created was comming from him.  He forgot that all he had was created by God for His purpose.  Lucifer &quot;meaning the son of the morning&quot; at that time Was created as the angel to reflect Gods Glory.  He was created with all types of instruments and stones in his body.  The problem arrose when he forgot his purpose.  Just like use we forget that God gave us the gift of music to usher people to a place where they can see Him, worship Him, and find His will out becouse the music opens the soul.  As a musician when we allow Satan to use us we use the same gift to manipulate and control people for the devils evil purpose.  The soul is open for what ever the message is put in.  This is part of the reason our yourt are out of control.  Much of it is the minipulating of concious for satans evil work.  I am a guitar player and the minister of music at my church Living Waters Ministries Towson MD.  I am also a christian who loves Jesus with all my heart and a student of His word.  Dont be an instrument used by the devil for his purpose.  Most musicians dont have a clue of the real purpose of music and its power.  That&#039;s why christians have to know whom they follow and allow the Holy Spirit &quot;Christ&quot; to work through them.  Your revelation was the chance for you to decide who you will serve.  Isaiah 14 10-17 shows How lucifers pride in his gifting got him kicked out of heaven and his resting place will be in the lake of fire with all those who he has decieved.  Dont be decieved.  How will you use the gift God has given you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow what you wrote about how music works was so on point.  If people only would understand how music effects the listner.  What you said about God was so off.  God is in control of those who desire Him to use them.  What you experenced was the same Dark demonic influence that caused a third of the angels to fall with their Musician leader Satan.  Ezekiel 28 12-19  wher Satan was kicked out becouse he thought the wonderful worship sound his beauty and body created was comming from him.  He forgot that all he had was created by God for His purpose.  Lucifer &#8220;meaning the son of the morning&#8221; at that time Was created as the angel to reflect Gods Glory.  He was created with all types of instruments and stones in his body.  The problem arrose when he forgot his purpose.  Just like use we forget that God gave us the gift of music to usher people to a place where they can see Him, worship Him, and find His will out becouse the music opens the soul.  As a musician when we allow Satan to use us we use the same gift to manipulate and control people for the devils evil purpose.  The soul is open for what ever the message is put in.  This is part of the reason our yourt are out of control.  Much of it is the minipulating of concious for satans evil work.  I am a guitar player and the minister of music at my church Living Waters Ministries Towson MD.  I am also a christian who loves Jesus with all my heart and a student of His word.  Dont be an instrument used by the devil for his purpose.  Most musicians dont have a clue of the real purpose of music and its power.  That&#8217;s why christians have to know whom they follow and allow the Holy Spirit &#8220;Christ&#8221; to work through them.  Your revelation was the chance for you to decide who you will serve.  Isaiah 14 10-17 shows How lucifers pride in his gifting got him kicked out of heaven and his resting place will be in the lake of fire with all those who he has decieved.  Dont be decieved.  How will you use the gift God has given you?</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
		<link>http://nogodsallowed.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/my-guitar-gently-weeps/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if, rather than, using that Benny Hinn pulp plast accompanied by demonic music as support for your argument for the cult religion seekers of the masses; that you use it as an analagy of what has transpired in your own life.  You can see and identify with what Benny Hinn is doing.  That power is not your own.  God gave it to you for His use.  It is your choice to run with it or to abominate it.  You even got the awareness of it.  What do you choose, Chad.  You remind me of Jonah.  He was imbued in every conceivable way with prophesy.  His life emmitted God.  Even when he was running away from God his very presence caused people to repent and go to God.  You are running from God, even saying there is no  God and every word you scream, in every word chain you put together, it screams God you are my God, my God prove it to me.  Who can prove it to you?  Do you test God?  You are playing with fire, Chad.  Do you want to be burnt.  Wouldn&#039;t you rather be purified?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if, rather than, using that Benny Hinn pulp plast accompanied by demonic music as support for your argument for the cult religion seekers of the masses; that you use it as an analagy of what has transpired in your own life.  You can see and identify with what Benny Hinn is doing.  That power is not your own.  God gave it to you for His use.  It is your choice to run with it or to abominate it.  You even got the awareness of it.  What do you choose, Chad.  You remind me of Jonah.  He was imbued in every conceivable way with prophesy.  His life emmitted God.  Even when he was running away from God his very presence caused people to repent and go to God.  You are running from God, even saying there is no  God and every word you scream, in every word chain you put together, it screams God you are my God, my God prove it to me.  Who can prove it to you?  Do you test God?  You are playing with fire, Chad.  Do you want to be burnt.  Wouldn&#8217;t you rather be purified?</p>
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		<title>By: Idetrorce</title>
		<link>http://nogodsallowed.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/my-guitar-gently-weeps/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Idetrorce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting, but I don&#039;t agree with you 
Idetrorce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting, but I don&#8217;t agree with you<br />
Idetrorce</p>
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		<title>By: nogodsallowed</title>
		<link>http://nogodsallowed.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/my-guitar-gently-weeps/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>nogodsallowed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim - I&#039;d have to disagree on your statement that my faith was based solely on my music. I never got into the musical aspect until a lot later in life after committing everything to christianity. My decision to leave the faith involved much, much more, and involved me trying to find a shred of evidence or reason *anywhere* that would make christianity true. I found none.

And of course, while that may be sad to you, it is wonderfully exhilarating for me to be free of christian dogma and superstition :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; I&#8217;d have to disagree on your statement that my faith was based solely on my music. I never got into the musical aspect until a lot later in life after committing everything to christianity. My decision to leave the faith involved much, much more, and involved me trying to find a shred of evidence or reason *anywhere* that would make christianity true. I found none.</p>
<p>And of course, while that may be sad to you, it is wonderfully exhilarating for me to be free of christian dogma and superstition <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://nogodsallowed.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/my-guitar-gently-weeps/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting perspective. I have attended a few churches with praise bands and left two because it became a show, not a church service. Now that I&#039;m in a praise band, I can see how easily that can happen. In group prayers with the band members before practice and service, it is often prayed that the music and our gifts be for God and the congregation which is encouraging, but outside of prayer, you can certainly witness &quot;musical egos&quot; rearing their ugly heads. I&#039;d like to think that I don&#039;t have much of a musical ego, but playing in front of people, even if it&#039;s in a church, is still performing. I think its a constant battle of reminding yourself why you&#039;re there.
Your situation is a sad one because you lost your faith. Your faith appeared to be based solely on your music though, and its got to be in your heart; you have to want to believe, and have &quot;faith&quot; that there&#039;s something better on the other side...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting perspective. I have attended a few churches with praise bands and left two because it became a show, not a church service. Now that I&#8217;m in a praise band, I can see how easily that can happen. In group prayers with the band members before practice and service, it is often prayed that the music and our gifts be for God and the congregation which is encouraging, but outside of prayer, you can certainly witness &#8220;musical egos&#8221; rearing their ugly heads. I&#8217;d like to think that I don&#8217;t have much of a musical ego, but playing in front of people, even if it&#8217;s in a church, is still performing. I think its a constant battle of reminding yourself why you&#8217;re there.<br />
Your situation is a sad one because you lost your faith. Your faith appeared to be based solely on your music though, and its got to be in your heart; you have to want to believe, and have &#8220;faith&#8221; that there&#8217;s something better on the other side&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://nogodsallowed.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/my-guitar-gently-weeps/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, nogodsallowed, I really feel that worship leadership is something that shouldn’t be approached lightly– sure, I hope that an energetic time of corporate worship happens each week, but it is more important to me that we go about it all in the right way. The last thing I want is to be someone who looks “right” on the outside but is driven by selfish motivations– that was the kind of person that Jesus had some pretty intense opinions about. Simply trying to push the right musical buttons to get a impulsive response from the crowd goes against the most basic concepts of what I think worship is all about.

As far as my community understanding: I think my worship volunteers, especially the leaders, know that authenticity is key, and that means taking an uncomfortably close look at how and why we do what we do. As far as the church on a whole, probably not, as we rarely get to talk about the specifics of worship leadership in a large group setting. When we do teach on worship, I emphasize that worship is really between the community and God… those of us on stage are really just there to facilitate, to “start the conversation” and then get out of the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, nogodsallowed, I really feel that worship leadership is something that shouldn’t be approached lightly– sure, I hope that an energetic time of corporate worship happens each week, but it is more important to me that we go about it all in the right way. The last thing I want is to be someone who looks “right” on the outside but is driven by selfish motivations– that was the kind of person that Jesus had some pretty intense opinions about. Simply trying to push the right musical buttons to get a impulsive response from the crowd goes against the most basic concepts of what I think worship is all about.</p>
<p>As far as my community understanding: I think my worship volunteers, especially the leaders, know that authenticity is key, and that means taking an uncomfortably close look at how and why we do what we do. As far as the church on a whole, probably not, as we rarely get to talk about the specifics of worship leadership in a large group setting. When we do teach on worship, I emphasize that worship is really between the community and God… those of us on stage are really just there to facilitate, to “start the conversation” and then get out of the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Flying Zombies &#171; No Gods Allowed</title>
		<link>http://nogodsallowed.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/my-guitar-gently-weeps/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Flying Zombies &#171; No Gods Allowed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yet when such a story originates in the context of the religion of choice, that bullshit meter is suddenly turned off. The masses seem ready to believe anything, and all the more so when they congregate together and are moved by the spirit. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Is worship music a form of emotional manipulation? &#124; Worship Rising</title>
		<link>http://nogodsallowed.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/my-guitar-gently-weeps/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Is worship music a form of emotional manipulation? &#124; Worship Rising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] habits. This week, it notified me of an interesting post at the no gods allowed blog, called My Guitar Gently Weeps. It really got me thinking, and I wanted to post a few of my thoughts in response here at Worship [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] habits. This week, it notified me of an interesting post at the no gods allowed blog, called My Guitar Gently Weeps. It really got me thinking, and I wanted to post a few of my thoughts in response here at Worship [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://nogodsallowed.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/my-guitar-gently-weeps/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey man, great post, very thought-provoking. It prompted me to write a response of sorts at my blog, Worship Rising (I&#039;m a pastor and musician).  Feel free to check it out if you like. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey man, great post, very thought-provoking. It prompted me to write a response of sorts at my blog, Worship Rising (I&#8217;m a pastor and musician).  Feel free to check it out if you like. Thanks!</p>
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